
Mhmm.

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“People
argue about Canada and America’s age, and who is older, but I think they’re
literally the exact same age. Neither of them is older and neither of them is
younger. Jamestown was settled in America in 1604, and Quebec (though it kept
moving around- It’s final move was in 1608) was also founded in 1604 in Canada.
It would make sense why Canada said in the manga that he and America have been
together since they were BORN, even though we see England introduce them. Any
thoughts?”

[Anon 2]
Like you said, they were introduced to each other in “Fly
Canada-san, Fly!”
Edit: In chapter 178 of World Stars, he does mention that they’ve been with each other since they were born. But, they weren’t with each other from birth. It was more like they were brought together afterwards.
The “since” is important here, as it’s to be taken as something that happens after the fact that they were born.

Second, it’s important to differentiate that the
foundation of a country is not their birthday, although they still celebrate it
as such. I know that’s not quite what you were getting at, but you’ll see why the same logic applies in a moment.

Lastly, I’m not aiming to be nitpicky about the history
here, but there were earlier settlements in both countries. However, as mentioned
above, the foundation date/ early foundations of a country is not their precise birth date.
For example, America was found wandering about by the
colonizing European nations. The matter of when he manifested is left open-ended.
If I had to guess, the factors causing his existence would possibly have to do
with how many people were located in the settlements and how stable they were.
They would also have to have some form of functioning governance (i.e. unwritten
localized customs).
Likewise, we know from Iceland that even when settlements
and some sort of civilization is formed, the personification doesn’t manifest
right away.

That said, I wouldn’t use their earliest foundation dates as an
accurate predictor in determining their age. Not only that, but there’s also
the difficulty in distinguishing which settlement caused them to manifest.
[Anon 1]
You’re right, England’s answer does seem forced. I think
that mostly stems from the fact that he wasn’t there at the precise moment
when both of them were born. While I did list potential factors that can be attributed
to their birth, none of it is confirmed.

England’s use of the word “perhaps” is too tentative for it to be
taken as canon.
In sum…
We still don’t know who’s older, as it’s not
confidently stated.

We haven’t left dude,
and anytime ❤
I honestly find it so
rude when people leaving the fandom say that it’s dead. As long as there’s
people still in it and content is being created, there’s no basis for that
claim.
How I see it is that
you should join a fandom because you enjoy
it, not whether a ton of people enjoy it.



Ever notice
how in the strips there’s slivers here and there that make mention of Japan’s clairvoyance
abilities?
What I find
to be pretty fascinating is that this lesser-known side of Japan has subsequently
been built on from way early in the series. Not only that, but you can still
find hints of it in the more recent strips.
What is clairvoyance?
Basically, clairvoyance
is ESP (extra-sensory perception). The context here has more to do with mind-reading
and being able to establish mental contact with the other nations.
In the
Meiji Era, despite the fact that his people’s belief in the supernatural was
declining as a result of Westernization–hence the loss of his ability to see youkai and kappa spirits–interest in the occult and clairvoyance was still very
much a thing.
It would
follow, then, that Japan’s clairvoyance abilities were still able to be tapped
into.

Bonus
points to Hima for having Japan break the fourth wall and read his mind.

That said,
there’s substantial hints that Japan had been using these mind-reading powers well
before he had made contact with the West, spanning into his time spent in
isolation.
The most
concrete example of this is when Chibitalia has a strange dream that involves
him encountering some kind of divine being.


Chibitalia
is then led by the being to Japan. Note that this takes place well before the
two ‘first’ meet to form the Tripartite pact in WW2.

We get further
confirmation that Japan has secretly been reading the minds of the other nations
in Chapter 16 of World Stars. There, Italy expresses confusion at how little
Japan speaks. Japan is quick to ease this concern.

Essentially,
Japan has gotten so used to mentally communicating with those whom he reads the
minds of that he’s forgotten how to speak.
Now, this
gets even more interesting when you consider the potential this ability has in
being used as a plot device. It could reveal a whole lot of secrets about what
some of the other nations are hiding.
I would especially
be interested to see if we can get a little more insight into Italy’s thoughts/
feelings on his childhood, since he hardly ever acknowledges it during adulthood.
The
problem, however, is that the one time we get to see what Japan reads from
Italy’s mind– admittedly, with mind-reading binoculars that he invented– he
doesn’t believe what he sees.


I honestly
don’t blame him, though. That’s not the Italy we’re used to seeing, so it would
be hard to imagine him as anything else.
Still, the
more I think about it, the more I wonder:
Regardless
if Japan doesn’t believe what he’s read from Italy’s mind, doesn’t it seem highly
plausible that he’s come across Italy’s childhood memories before?
If so, has
he indirectly found out what really
happened to Holy Rome?
It’s nice to think about, but given how
considerate of a person Japan is, if he did know, I don’t think he would be one to reveal
this secret.


While that’s true, I’ve always liked this moment here.
Right as they’re preparing for war, Italy secretly panics (if you look closely, you can see that he’s crying, but he does well to mask it ) and makes Germany promise him that he’ll take care of himself.
They switch roles for once and Italy becomes the ‘Commander.’



I’ve seen this question enough times where I think it’s
important to differentiate between a few things.
Misconception #1: That nations are a reflection of their governments.
This couldn’t be the more opposite. Countless times
throughout the series, the nations have been shown to do things against their
will. Right from the get-go, this rule is established in chapter 1 of World Stars.


The nations may not agree with their bosses, but they
nonetheless accept their fate, resign, and obligately listen and do what they’re
told–not that it makes it right, nor am I justifying it.
Likewise, the nations represent their people. Yes, they’re
political in the sense that they’re forced to work for their governments, but
it’s important to remember that they’re cultural and historical
personifications.
They don’t represent the government. The nations represent
their people in whole; the government is only a small part of that.

In other words, likewise to the stereotypes they embody, the
nations are a symbol of their people’s cultural identity.
Think of it this way: when you identify yourself with a
national identity, is it predicated on the negative actions of your government?
No.
Then why apply the same faulty logic to the nations?
What the government does is not a reflection of that
nation’s culture. That said, it wouldn’t make sense to attribute the actions of
a political minority onto a cultural personification that represents the
majority. Not to mention that again, the nations are often forced to follow
their bosses’ orders.
Misconception #2:
Political Enemies = Personal Enemies
Remember that the nations themselves are people too.
Regardless of the wartime alliances they get involved in, they’re more often
than not able to transcend over them. While war may impact how they formally relate
to each other, it doesn’t impact the past that they’ve shared and experienced
together (spanning across decades, centuries, and sometimes even millennia).
So, while they may be enemies during war, when fighting
isn’t necessary, the nations will still interact and see each other as friends
above all else. Political relations between national leaders is more orientated
in the present, whereas due to long-established and developed relationships, the nations are more influenced by the past. However, that doesn’t mean that they hold grudges either. It just means that they have more to consider.



Misconception #3: Tense Relations = Incompatibility
Like I said above, the nations are humans too. Yes, their
countries may not have had/have the best relations, but that doesn’t
automatically mean that the respective personifications won’t get along either.
The best example of this is how Russia and America interact
with each other, especially in modern
times. They may not be the best of friends, but they still share a considerably
familiar and comfortable relationship.



Personally, I wouldn’t think so. Here’s why:
1) The nations’ strength/ health are reliant on their economy and position in the world. Russia also had this super strength.
2) The nations themselves are already noted to be strange beings. The super strength is just an ability that comes with part of their existence. In other words, while it’s not common, it’s still a natural feature.
All of them can attain it if their country is strong enough. Meanwhile, seeing spirits/ magical creatures is more dependent on their populations’ cultural belief in them.


Note: This theory will make use of Freudian theory. While I
recognize that Freud’s ideas do not bear much contemporary relevance, that
shouldn’t take away from the fact that many of his concepts (i.e erogenous
zones, childhood memory repression, catharsis) are nonetheless employed by Hima
in the series. The purpose of this post is to give some insight into the
psychologies of the characters.
Comic Diary 3…an old strip
that’s very easily forgotten despite how crucial it is in allowing us to get a
good understanding of what Italy may or may not remember from his childhood.

In Italy’s dream, he conjures a lost child that looks exactly
like Chibitalia. When encountered by an unknown man, the child asks to be taken
to a person with a face exactly like them.

The pair go up to Italy. What the unknown man says
next is crucial.
“I have a lost child here.”

The scene then takes a disturbing turn for the worse as the
child eerily repeats “Please acknowledge me” over and over again. Even more important
is that Italy refuses to acknowledge the child.

Freud had a profound interest in dreams, as they act as a
pathway in gaining access into the unconscious mind of the patient. Your
unconscious mind is where your deepest desires, worries, and insecurities lurk;
you’re not aware of them. If a memory is traumatic enough, especially in
childhood, then they too can be pushed into your unconscious mind so that
you’re unaware of/ unable to remember them.
In the context of dreams,
this is where your unconscious has the free reign to express itself. What you
experience in your dreams has both a literal and a symbolic meaning. It’s the
symbolic meaning of dreams that psychologists look at. Basically, your
unconscious paints the dream in a way that something irrelevant – such as an
ordinary everyday object – could represent a repressed conflict, vulnerability,
or unpleasant trauma that is plaguing your mind.
Manifest Content is the
literal element of the dream. It’s what you see and experience. For example, in
this case, it would be Italy encountering a child that looks just like him and
reacting fearfully towards it.
The Latent Content is the
symbolic element; the underlying meaning. It’s the unconscious aspect of the dream that is masked by
the seemingly normal manifest content. Because these aspects are a representation
of unconscious conflicts, when brought to the conscious level they can cause us
to experience discomfort.

What I want to focus on is the latent content of Italy’s dream.
The lost child could be symbolic of ltaly’s lost childhood. Likewise, it can
also act as a lost childhood memory that Italy has repressed and refuses to
acknowledge.
The trauma of losing Holy
Rome could have motivated Italy to actively forget about that part of his
childhood. It would follow, then, that Italy’s childhood self appearing in the
dream is the presence of an unconscious conflict and repressed memory, thus
causing him to respond fearfully.
On the same note, it’s not
impossible for the nations to have limited memories, let alone forget bad
experiences. Russia can surely testify to that.

That said, while Italy may have repressed some of his childhood
memories, we know from Buon San Valentino that he hasn’t repressed all of them
as he at least admits that his first love was a boy.

Perhaps this vagueness of
statement means that Italy’s memory about Holy Rome is muddled… that he knows
just enough, and yet, not enough to cause
him to remember and relive the pain of losing his first love.

Remember when New Zealand messed up pizza so badly that Italy went through an identity crisis…with a smile on his face?
