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Germania:

Most of these can also be applied to other Germanics, but
for the purpose of this post I’ll only be focusing on the similarities between
Germany and Germania.

Emotional stuntedness
+ awkwardness

Both Germania and Germany are unable to smile.
Well, at least expressively and regularly.

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Source: Hetarchive, Christmas Event 2010 + World Stars chapter 7. 

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Source: Hetarchive (Bamboo Thicket, Eng trans., Feb 24th, 2015). 

Perverted trope

While I’m not exactly favourable of this, there’s still the
running joke that Germans are closet perverts.

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Source: Volume 1 + Hetarchive (Bamboo Thicket, Eng trans., Feb 6th, 2015). 

Bridge between
nations: the organizer and ‘Mom of the group.’

Both bridge the gap between chaos and civility. In other
words, they organize those around them and keep them in line.

Ex: Germany demanding order at a world meeting vs Germania
making a snide comment when a meeting in Rome goes awry.

Source: Volume 1 + Hetarchive (Bamboo Thicket, Eng trans., May 3rd 2011).

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Ex: Both are adept planners.

Source: Hetarchive (Bamboo Thicket, Eng trans., Oct 20th 2013). 

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Ex: Both have an Italian to look after. This often includes
calming the latter down after an emotional outburst.

Source: Ibid + World Stars chapter 1

Rome + Germania

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Italy + Germany

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There’s also the tendency for the Italian to be late. 

Lastly, it’s obvious that they look pretty much identical
save for hair length.

Ancient Rome and the
Italy Brothers

Both brothers inherited the signature curl and a love for
women. Notice the positions of the curls and then compare them to Rome’s (i.e., one curl for each brother). 

Source: World Stars Chapter 20 + ibid 

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The split between them lies more with the expressions they
make.

Italy is the softer, more relaxed side of Rome, while Romano—while
also considerably vulnerable and soft—bears a more abrasive external shell; that is, when he’s not being a crybaby. 

The best way to go about this is to just show comparisons.
Notice how each Italy brother uniquely adopted specific expressions from Rome
that tailor well to their respective personalities. 

Source: Vol 1 + Vol 2

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Source: Vol 1

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Misconception: He’s
dead and no longer exists.

Reality: He is
dead, but he still exists in heaven.

Ex: He once tied
up God so that he was able to visit his grandsons. 

(Source: Together with Grandpa Rome, Hetarchive.)

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Ex: He visits
Earth with Germania, only to find out that his home has since been replaced by
a bench.

(Source: Grandpa Rome’s visit home, Hetarchive). 

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Misconception: He
and Germania hate each other and are grave enemies.

Reality: It’s not
so much hatred but rather a strong one-sided dislike on Germania’s part. A lot
of canon information is contradictory, so it’s tricky to piece together.

Ex: A character
note for Germania: “Has a taciturn but rough personality and dislikes Rome
greatly.”

Source: Bamboo Thicket (Eng trans., Hetarchive, May 6th, 2008). 

Ex: Germania is
easily irritated by Rome.

Source: Bamboo Thicket (Eng trans., Hetarchive, Feb 6th, 2015). 

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A condensed explanation of their relationship would be
childhood rivals who teased each other, a disgruntled Germania becoming Rome’s
bodyguard + occasional teasing, tension, Germania probably—although unconfirmed—giving
the finishing blow that ended Rome’s life on Earth, and reconciliation in
Heaven.

Ex: Childhood
teasing.

Source: Bamboo Thicket (Eng trans., Hetarchive, Feb 24th, 2015). 

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Ex: Germania
acting as Rome’s bodyguard and making a snide comment about the latter.

Source: Bamboo Thicket (Eng trans., Hetarchive, May 3rd, 2011). 

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Ex: The
unconfirmed status of whether Germania truly killed Rome is mentioned in this
character note “A brave man who is said to had [sic] defeated Rome, although
the truth is hard to find out.”

Source: Bamboo Thicket (Eng trans., Hetarchive, May 6th 2008). 

Ex: The two visit
Earth together. Germania consoles Rome, who became distraught after learning
that his home no longer exists.

Source: Grandpa Rome’s visit home, Hetarchive. 

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Misconception: He
doesn’t care about Romano.

Reality: While he
may have devoted more attention to Veneziano, he very deeply cares about Romano
too.

Ex: Sketches indicate that Himaruya may have intended for them to have a more
tangible family dynamic.

Source: Bamboo Thicket (Eng trans., Hetarchive, May 1rst 2011). 

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Ex: Rome visits
both Italy brothers in their dreams [x]. 

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Ex: Romano bursts
out into tears of happiness when Rome visits him from heaven. The meetings don’t
occur often because Romano gets embarrassed by his crying.

Source: Bamboo Thicket (Eng trans., Hetarchive, April 5th 2011)

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Misconception: He’s
not biologically related to the Italy brothers.

Reality: While
the labels attributed are awkward due to the absence of a traditional birth
process, the three of them are, in fact, biologically related.

Ex: Rome is said
to have many grandchildren, both biological and adopted.

Source: Bamboo Thicket (Eng trans., Hetarchive, Oct 30th, 2014). 

Ex: On several
occasions, the Italy brothers are said to have inherited his legacy.

Source: Grandpa Rome’s visit home, Hetarchive). 

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Ex: The presence
of a curl is later used to distinguish a direct blood relation from Rome [x]. 

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Bonus facts: 

He was originally conceptualized as a much older man.

Source: Main story line chapter 4, Hetarchive.

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He also visits Germany quite often to check up on the latter’s
research on him.

Source: Bamboo Thicket (Eng trans., Hetarchive, Oct 20th, 2014). 

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Himaruya intended to give him a retired playboy vibe.

Source: Bamboo Thicket (Eng trans., Hetarchive, May 6th, 2008). 

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Addressing Pedophilic
Concerns in Hetalia

A/N: I will not
post images, as I don’t wish to trigger people. It’s a very sensitive matter
that I’ve concluded would be better off not being shown. It would be
irresponsible if I were to just post them on display without any thought or
warning. However, links will be provided should you wish to see the primary
source material for yourself.

If you are sensitive to this kind of subject matter, PLEASE
DO NOT
read this post.

Let me also just go on the record to say that I HATE
pedophiles. I applied for a student placement that would put me in
a department that specifically targets online predators. I’ve been targeted online before, so it’s something very personal to me. I don’t take the subject
lightly.

Main Arguments:

Hetalia didn’t promote pedophilia or sexual assault nor were
they glorified. Instead, shock humour, which intentionally recognizes the taboo
and moral inappropriateness of various tropes and employs them to provoke a
reaction out of the audience, were used.

The jokes were positioned in a way that made the perpetrator/aggressor
of perverted and unwelcomed behaviour as the antagonist. In other words, Hetalia
wasn’t pedophilic, but the jokes Himaruya made in the past did have pedophilic
undertones.

Over the years and as joke cultures changed, the shock
humour employed in Hetalia disappeared. A lot of this can be attributed to the
heightened consciousness of today’s society, where these egregious jokes aren’t
tolerated. This doesn’t mean that they’ve disappeared entirely, but it’s rare
to see them go unchallenged now.

It can also be
attributed to the fact that Himaruya recognized the harm in the tropes he was
depicting and learned from the mistakes he made in the past. Anyone who has read Hetalia in the last eight
years will know that this newer material cannot be compared to what it used to
be. The joke culture has since shifted and certain things don’t fly anymore.
For example, comparing the France from 2006-2010/2011 to the France now would be
like comparing an ant to a dragonfly; one remains at a lowly, deprived level
while the other soars and flourishes above its counterpart.

Now, I don’t intend to justify or excuse the shock humour
and the harmful depictions/ scenarios of the series’ past. What I do intend to
do is have a discussion about why they existed, why they don’t anymore, and how
Hetalia and its present characterizations can still be appreciated.

Shock Humour, What it
is, and Real-Life Examples:

Before I delve into Hetalia’s early years, I always find it
helpful to find similar scenarios where this also occurs and draw parallels.

The premise of shock humour is to use subjects that are
taboo and make jokes about them. The shock is how the audience reacts to the
abrasive humour. Overall, it deliberately attempts to employ gags that are
morally-offensive to snatch the attention of the audience.

A recent, more relevant example of this would be James Gunn’s
firing from the Guardians of the Galaxy franchise. In the past, he made several
offensive tweets joking about subjects such as sexual assault and pedophilia.

Does that mean that he advocates for sexual
assault and pedophilia? No.

Were the jokes made in poor taste? Yes, 100%.

So, why now? Why is it only now that these jokes are
resurfacing and provoking a negative reaction? Why weren’t they burned at the
media stake like they are today?

Context and timing are critical to understanding why.

As I’ve mentioned, society has grown more conscious of the
type of humour we employ and at whose expense it befalls onto. Newer social movements have made us rethink how our society is
constructed, which includes the meaning and similar construction behind our
words and how they can perpetuate and reproduce harmful assumptions.

In Gunn’s apology, he took full accountability for his old
tweets, admitting that the shocking humour he used came from a provocative
intent and that his sense of humour has since changed.

What I have always been critical of Outrage Culture for is
how it acts as an antithesis to discussion and growth. People are capable of
changing and learning from their past mistakes, so to hold them accountable and
drag them through the dirt for someone they used to be is just as harmful. You
see this in how the actors of the film argued against Gunn’s firing without
condoning the tweets. They were able to approach the situation with compassion
and intelligence, recognizing that while Gunn’s tweets were cringy and inappropriate,
they were unreflective of his present character.  

Shock humour is becoming increasingly contested. What was permissible
before isn’t now. What would before raise eyebrows now raises stakes and
pitchforks.

In my own lifetime, I’ve experienced a dramatic shift
in joke culture too. Common middle school humour included joking about getting “r**ped”
by a difficult test or that anyone who looked at you in a funny way had a “r**pe
face.”  

Something like that today would get crucified by the
internet, as we’ve seen with the James Gunn situation.

Hetalia + Fanon
Response:

It would be one thing if Hetalia supported pedophilia and
sexual assault.

It doesn’t. 

What it instead does is use shock humor and jokes with
pedophilic/unwelcomed sexual undertones to shock the audience into reacting,
reeling them to tune in to the taboo content.

France is the biggest perpetrator of this. In many of the
early Holiday and Event Strips, the premise is that he acts as the perverted antagonist
who will go out of his way to strip, grope, touch, and make other nations
uncomfortable. The humour Himaruya employed knew very little boundaries.
Everyone was France’s target, including Sealand and Latvia who were minors [x]. Fans
too participated in these events, requesting that France “grope” and “m***st”
certain characters.

On the other hand, the end scheme of this crude comic gag
was that France always got his just deserts. He was punished, tied up, and once
even arrested for his lecherous behaviour [x] [x] [x]. The moral of the comics was always
that what he did was wrong and unacceptable. What was problematic is that shock
humour was the device used to push this narrative.

Ex: France himself even says that love shouldn’t be forced
onto anyone [x]

The humour isn’t only limited to France, but he was
definitely at the forefront of it. Some other aspects would include the Italy
brothers (as children and adults) having curls that represent erogenous zones, when any person
with basic child development knowledge knows that it’s impossible for children
to experience sexual pleasure.

One misconception that I always see is that Spain is a
pedophile that deliberately pulls on Romano’s curl, knowing the reaction it’ll elicit.
This is false. Spain is completely unaware of the curl’s purpose [x]. The shock
humour, then, would be provoking and pushing the line between what is
acceptable and what is not; Spain obliviously tugging on Romano’s erogenous
zone would be the unseemly taboo and inappropriate comic gag that would shock
the readers. Some other examples of these jokes would include Spain discussing
wanting to marry the Italy brothers when they were older and displaying a creepy
expression at the thought of all three of them living together [x] [x].

I emphasized context before because these tropes were not
only permitted but encouraged by fans. At the end of the day Himaruya is to be
held fully accountable for what he decided to create and post, but the differences
in joke culture are also something to acknowledge and be mindful of.

The Deleted Strip:

Just the mere thought of this strip brings dread upon any
Hetalia fan who knows what it is. It’s something that no one wants to discuss nor
remember; “Botticelli’s Erotic Paintings” [x] 

Well, it happened, deleted or not. This is an example of where
Himaruya took shock humour too far and made something completely unacceptable. 

What little humour there was in the shock before was now
non-existent: Spain and France go so far as to m**est Chibitalia. Himaruya,
having recognized how depraving and inexcusable this content was, later deleted
it from his blog in 2008. 

There’s no excusing that strip or even the inappropriate
humour that he continued to employ until roughly late 2010/2011. There’s still perverted innuendos, and you can argue that the damaged series where the nations are ‘magically’ stripped of clothes for the sake of fanservice is, in fact, stripping, but the context isn’t that of sexual assault and there are no aggressors [x]. The only qualm I have is Latvia’s inclusion. 

I believe that Himaruya has paid his dues in the
following eight years of content that he’s since put out into the world. They’ve
proven that he’s learned and evolved from his mistakes and no longer supports
this type of humour.

Interesting side
note:

When Himaruya first came to America, he was shocked by how
laxly regulated cartoons were. By this I mean that he was surprised by the
shock humour employed in them and what they were able to get away with. This
isn’t an inaccurate observation.

He cites South Park and Family Guy. While I
haven’t watched South Park, I know firsthand that Family Guy has pulled off some pretty dark
and raunchy jokes, ranging from subjects and persons such as Hitler and
pedophilia (the perverted neighbor old man trope). Something I’ve always
wondered is if this may have played a part in influencing the tropes
that we saw emerge in Hetalia’s early years [x]. 

What Now? +
Suggestions on How to Approach Recent Characterizations:

In the past, I’ve mentioned that not acknowledging older characterizations
and pretending that they didn’t happen is just as harmful as holding onto and
approaching them as if they’re still relevant. The old and new characterizations
for most characters are so dramatically different that they’re incomparable.

The rule of thumb that I’ve used in navigating through this
messy labyrinth of discretion is simple: Take both characterizations (old and
new) and pick out which aspects of the personality have remained true to the
character.

Ex:

Does France still grope and terrorize other nations with unwanted
touching? No.

Does he still like his muscles? Yes. [x]

Larger post on the evolution of France’s characterization
here: [x].

I would be lying if I said that if I had come into the
fandom when this type of humour was still being employed that I wouldn’t have
left it. In fact, I had read the volumes first before reading web-exclusive
content. Nonetheless, I’m still able to recognize that the series has come full
circle in cleaning up its characterizations.

The only thing I find disappointing is that Himaruya hasn’t
addressed but rather deleted some of
this content. It doesn’t even have to do with the use of the shock humour.
Fine, he learned from it and tailored his content accordingly; I get and respect that. What
I don’t respect and have a difficult time accepting is how quiet he’s been on
the whole situation. 

Q & A

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‘But big brother don’t you always say you don’t
want to see me at all?’this. I do wonder if Himaruya will ever make Romano
realize the weight of his words. I’m sure deep down he doesn’t mean any harm
with them,but they surely leave a scar. 

I think that’s
the whole point. Romano doesn’t realize the impact of how mean and vicious he
can be to Veneziano. Veneziano’s also a very sensitive person, so it doesn’t
help. Everyone has their limits

The fact that Romano’s shocked by this is most
telling for me [x]. 

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Countries such as England, Spain, Netherlands,
Portugal, America, and France did overseas trading but weren’t pirates.  

While there is a fan request where Himaruya depicts
England and Spain as pirates for fun, it’s important to remember the negative
implications of the word [x]

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Ex: France knew the
real Captain Hook and warns Seychelles of him [x]. 

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On the other hand, there is one strip that depicts
an unknown African nation as a pirate (in this case, they actually personified
a band of pirates in the region) [x]

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I’ve done a post on religion if you’d like to check
it out. It’s listed in my directory under Characterization in Hetalia [x]. 

The basic gist is that religion and the belief in
God still remains because there is an actual God in Hetalia. Whether they have faith in God depends on the individual and what they’ve experienced.


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Well, all episodes are based on the comics!

Right now, the first thing that comes to mind is America and Canada’s series of
arcs in world stars.

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(He doesn’t have a rifle as a child in the growth spurt strip: “England dreaming of long days passed, Vol 3). 

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There is this panel of child America gripping onto a rifle, though [x].

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I’m just
going to start by saying that I don’t make any canon conclusions without basing
it on something in the manga/ character notes provided. As such, what you
mention would fall under headcanon territory.

The part about America clutching guns is
depicted in canon but the leap to him viewing guns as a safety net and this
being reflected in his gun culture today doesn’t draw on canon material. For
me, a conclusion has to tie two or more pieces of canon material together rather than
using one piece to make a speculation where there aren’t any definitive links.

I know this model is nitpicky, but I’m very
stringent when it comes to forming and supporting an argument ^^

However, your headcanon wouldn’t be entirely
impossible. It actually draws on a similar structure in logic to what we’ve
seen with America before!

Ex: America’s tendency to mass produce is a
reflection of the trauma he experienced as a child in that he didn’t possess
many belongings.

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So, it’s not impossible, but the link hasn’t
been made in canon yet.

Q & A

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I wanted to ask about Belarus. Does she have an
outdated personality like France? Should I consider her old appearance as
inaccurate?

I’ve said this before, but very
little is known about Belarus. She’s a bit of an anomaly, so I’m not inclined
to form a solid opinion on her.

Most of the canon information about
her personality is from an untranslated PC game that Himaruya created and posted
on his blog. As for any changes? She appears in a few non-linear strips and the
first three printed volumes but makes a marginal appearance in World Stars.

Where we do see her more often is in
the Holiday Events (e.g. in Halloween 2011 and Halloween 2013-2014 you get
larger glimpses than in the Christmas Holiday Events where she also appears).

Judging by her character there,
she’s still obsessed with Russia and has violent/ impulsive tendencies, yet
she’s also calm and almost…regal at other moments [x]. However, it’s nowhere near
to the same extent as some of the borderline insane information given from the
PC game.

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(She mistakes Taiwan’s greeting as normal lol). 

I’d prefer to have a recent arc of
chapters/ strip deliberately focusing on her before I assess what aspects of
her characterization have remained and/or if it hasn’t changed at all.


Since Mochis are versions of the countries they
represent, does that mean that America’s strange dad complex can be backed up
by the weird lettuce-daddy Mochi comic strips? Cause Lol, I hope so.

I really wanted to
say no to this but knowing Himaruya, that literally might be a factoring
reason lmao. Although you have to remember that this lettuce also once wanted to
take over the world, only to be eaten by Canadamochi [x]. 

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Okay so this has been in my mind for a while. I
was reading over some chapters from the manga to establish notes for myself and
came across the terms ‘junior’ and ‘senior’ used. Specifically in the It’s a
Treasure Box Full of Countries and Ch. 201. I was wondering if it’s meant to be
out of age establishment (Hutt River calls Wy, Molossia, and Sealand juniors
and himself Wy’s senior) or ranks (Australia calls himself Canada’s senior but
could also mean age… )? What are your thoughts?

Most of the time it has to do with
chronological age.

Then again, you also have South
Korea asking Japan and China (who in the
series
are older than him) to call him older brother [x]

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I saw something saying that romano has more
arabic(?) blood than italy, that’s why he’s darker than him (hair, skin, etc)
but I wasn’t sure if it was someones headcanon or canon

It’s considered to be canon by most
since his hair still remains darker than Veneziano’s. It’s listed in his Hetarchive
article [x]. Some LJ posts also link to Japanese fans who have saved old trivia
information that Himaruya later deleted from his blog. 


By the way, in one of your posts, you mentioned
that “in WW2 when he’s occupied by the Nazi regime, England takes France
into his home”. Can you show me which strip that’s in? (I can’t find
it…) Thanks!

It’s from Volume 5: “Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité and…”

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Q & A

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Since when was Canada and Romano best friends?
Apart from the brief encounter when Canada asks Romano about independence,
there has been no interaction that shows them as friends. In fact, isn’t Romano
one of the ones who forgets Canada unlike his brother, Veneziano? I know he’s
friends with America, but only acquaintances with Canada, or an I missing
something?

They’re not friends? I’m
as confused as you. Like you said, they had that interaction in WS where Canada
asked Romano how he had gained his independence [x]. 

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Not exactly. I think you’re
referring to the Christmas 2011 event. Veneziano recognizes Canada but we don’t
get to see Romano’s reaction [x].

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do you believe that
monaco and france are siblings the way that norway and iceland are? like…
biologically (even though biology and nations is an iffy thing lol)

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It is an iffy thing lol. I’m still in the process
of putting together a model, but to avoid a slippery slope, Himaruya has made
it so that descendants aren’t necessarily biologically related (e.g., Bulgaria
and Romania aren’t considered to be Rome’s grandsons, even though Romania
strongly insists otherwise).

Anyways, as for your question, no. Monaco is referred to as his protégé in a
volume 4 character note [x], although I’ve seen printed English translations where she’s referred to as his sister in the same note…

In Volume 6, she’s referred to as his “kind-of sister.”

She and Italy refer to France as big brother;
however, we know that Italy uses it as a term of endearment and given that
Monaco is his protégé, I would apply the same logic [x]


Hey, so, before some wars in the 1700s, the French and
Spanish had A LOT more colonized land in North America than England, so in
Hetalia, wouldn’t that make France more of a parental figure? Before the wars
in 1700s at least. (I got this from my AP US History book)

Hetalia isn’t historically accurate, so it’s not the best
lens for analyzing relationships between the characters. Use the original
source material for interpretation (i.e., the manga).

I’ve done some posts that highlight the paternal
relationship that France has with America

[x] [x], but it still stands that England was
his primary father figure/ mentor. Even so, we know that because of England’s
long absences it was minimal.

Ex: America is jealous of kids who get presents from their fathers on Christmas [x]. 

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Hello! Can you tell please in which period of
time strip “While you were gone” takes place?

I think it takes place
during the intermission period between WW1 and WW2. Both Lithuania and Poland
were independent, but Lithuania still warns of political tensions and the
likely possibility of Poland being targeted. Italy had also just gained his independence [x]

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I’m very
sorry to hear that.

In the series, what
we’ve seen is that if ordered to, the nations will promote propaganda despite
not necessarily believing in it. This doesn’t mean that you can’t characterize them as you wish either.

Ex: Germany is
morally opposed to annexing Austria but is forced to [x]. In a later strip, he’s
seen promoting the annexation with other officers [x]. 

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I hope this helps. All the
best, and thank you for sharing your voice and permitting me to comment. 


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I’ve already done posts on this subject. You can find them in my post directory [x] [x]